Speaker 0 00:00:00 Okay,
Speaker 1 00:00:15 Good evening. Thanks for joining disability and progress, where we bring you insights into ideas about and discussions on disability topics. My name is Sam. I'm the host of this show. Charlene dolls, my research woman. Good evening, Charlene. Tonight, we are speaking with Anita Cameron, ho Anita. Hi, thank you for joining me tonight. Anita is with adapt. I really appreciate you coming on Anita. I, I don't know where it is, where you are, but where we are. It is cold. Pretty cold here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:00:50 So we, we get similar, uh, temperatures. Yeah. And we're actually closer to Canada and the Pennsylvania we're in Western New York. And so we get all that stuff. They get
Speaker 1 00:01:06 Excellent. Not so much. Right. So, um, I need to adapt, tell me a little bit about adapt. Tell me a little bit about the beginning when it, when it started and what you know about it.
Speaker 2 00:01:25 Well, Deb, let's start it officially in 1983 and I'm sorry. It seems like there's an echo, but anyway, so adapt was started in Denver in 1983. I joined a dam in 1986 and Chicago. Um, at that time adapt well, small group of people, um, with disability, um, the vast majority of us, and there were some of us who walked on our hind feet, we hadn't built. Gotcha. And, um, and I wasn't one of them. Um, I was 21 years old on ID only to adapt and I've seen quite a few changes over the, over the decades.
Speaker 1 00:02:29 And what made you join?
Speaker 2 00:02:34 Well, I had been involved in social justice work from the age of 16 wow movement. Excellent. Um, so, uh, adapt was, it's an interesting story that I was staying with my godmother. Who's a school sister of Notre Dame. Uh, that's a religious order. She got a call from a friend saying that he knew someone with a disability who needed an interpreter and then assistance. And, um, my DOB mother stopped that that would be just the thing for me. And so she had me call the man up. Now I'm his name was Dennis driver worked at Chicago lighthouse on the block because of the type of sign language that he used. He had to be a very good speller. And so he gave me a 20 words, spelling test. Couldn't believe that I passed it. Another one couldn't believe that I passed gave me another one. Couldn't believe that I passed it, uh, brought me in on an interview and hire me on the phone. Excellent. And then, um, I began working, uh, on the local level with my local gap chapter.
Speaker 1 00:04:18 So in the adapt, I'm sure like some of the stuff that it's always changing as far as what, um, you guys are working on, depending on, you know, what's going on in society. Um, has it changed, do you think how involved people are?
Speaker 2 00:04:45 Hmm, well, we were a small group, right? Um, we used to have probably about 30 or 40 people on national athletes. Um, over the year we grew Aaron rather at Vanessa. We, you know, we would have about five, 600 people on actions. But the thing is, is that when you're dealing with a lot of folks with disabilities, people pass away, they die, their health gets, you know, uh, too bad to be active. Um, they go on with their lives, right? They live their lives. And so our numbers, um, has, um, diminished, but we're still wrong. And we, um, we are working on getting you involved and adapt and working on getting more people of color involved in a gap because the gap was, although it was diverse, it, it was a reflection of society and that the default is white, white men. And so over the year that has changed, but it has not changed enough.
Speaker 2 00:06:32 And that is what I have been doing, um, to get more, uh, black leadership and adapt because we have people of color in leadership positions and adapt. We just don't have very many black folks and, uh, persistence of leadership and adapt. And that's all due to that structural racism, you know, and it doesn't mean that people are bad people to do what the default is. And so, um, someone comes and changes that we've done. Uh, we started out working on, uh, access to public transit as well as public access. When the Americans with disabilities act was signed into law, we harken back to our roots. And so we tried to work to get 25% of Medicaid dollars re directed into a national attendant program.
Speaker 2 00:07:58 And our first piece of medic Leighton was HR 2020. It was introduced by Newt Gingrich. He was then speaker of the house. And that was quite, quite interesting to get him to see that it involved at his house, but she did, he did do that. Uh, the bill has had several iterations since then. It started out is he attended service act and then the Medicaid community attended at, and then the Medicaid community attended services and supports, and then the community infant Crace, uh, I'm sorry to community twice at, um, and all of those were what I tend to call program. What was that program?
Speaker 2 00:09:11 I'm sorry. Program what program bills. Oh, okay. So, so what happens is, is that it was trying to change a Medicaid program and trying to mandate a Medicaid benefit, um, for, uh, people who were in nursing homes or in danger of being sent to an American house. And we got pushed back on that. And so when the disability integration at was being crafted for the hundred and 15th Congress, we decided to look at it and frame it as civil rights legislation, because you can have all of the public access that you want. You can have all the access to jobs and things of that nature, but if you are stuck in a nursing home, you're not going to have access to that. And so we realized that people had to have the whole rights to live in the community with the services and support that you know, that we need to remain independent and to remain at our home.
Speaker 2 00:10:39 And so that's where that is now, um, on January 15th, which was the 90th anniversary of the birth day of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The disability integration act was incentives, um, in Washington DC, it was a huge thing. Um, it was amazing. I was honored to be the event, uh, senators tumor, who is the sponsor on the Senate side of the bill was there. And Corey Gardner, uh, who was the first Republican on the Senate side, he was there. Excellent. And that was pretty amazing because I lived in Denver for many, many years, a couple of decades. And, um, Senator Gardner it, well, Mr. Secretary, wasn't, he wasn't killing things and had us arrested multiple times. But at the end of the, this, the year of 2018, he was literally the last person to sign on to D I a N Senate making the bill both bi-partisan on by camera and to his extraordinary credit Senator Gardner was the first, uh, initial co-sponsor on the Senate deal.
Speaker 2 00:12:37 And he was also bear. I got the interview, him, uh, Senator Casey was there, uh, Congressman Sensenbrenner sent staff because he he's recovering from surgery. So he sent staff. He is the sponsor of the house of the bill. So the house version of the bill is H R five five five. It had 40 initial co-sponsor on the 15th. We are now up to 52 call sponsors and the Senate bill is S one one seven, and it has 23 original postboxes. So the bill is both bipartisan and by panel. And now the hard work table, because we have called for the house version of a bill to be passed by July 26, 2019. And, um, and then the Senate bill to, um, pass and for DIA to be signed into law by the year 20.
Speaker 1 00:14:17 Can you talk a little bit about what that bill does for the disability community?
Speaker 2 00:14:22 It gives people with disability who are either in nursing homes or are in danger of being in a nursing home. That's civil right to live in the community, but the services and support that they need to remain independent. It, it directs, Oh, insurance companies who will pay for institutional care to also pay for home and community based service. There are a number of components, um, as part of that bill, including a housing component, because people with disabilities are often stuck in nursing homes simply because there is no affordable, accessible housing. Um, there's a chance of pasting some foam. And, um, there are, there are a number of different components of this bill, uh, that would give that civil rights, um, to, to have a nursing home level of care and to, um, receive services in their homes.
Speaker 1 00:15:54 And presumably the Bill's asking for the insurance companies, if you would pay thousands of dollars or however much you would pay for a nursing home, you should be willing to pay for the same amount for that person to live in their own home. Yes.
Speaker 2 00:16:11 Well, yeah, but to know what it costs far left to care for someone in their own homes, in a nursing home. Okay. I'll give you a T uh, and this is a 2009. Okay. Okay. So it's probably even better now, but in 2009 it costs a little over $250,000 a year per person to be taken care of in a nursing home, whereas to take care of that same person and their own home, it costs a little over $50,000 a year to cost about one 58 o'clock. And I'm sure the numbers have been pruned. Now that's one of the things that we are doing, um, is to push towards a hearing, um, to work on studies, to give, uh, to give, uh, numbers that are up to date.
Speaker 2 00:17:31 Um, and so that whole scoring, uh, thing won't be inflated because that's the thing is a lot of people talk about Gorney scoring is like how the bill will be paid. But the thing is that there is a price on the freedom of people with disabilities that should not be. And that's one of the, that, that's one of the really frustrating thing is that there's always a price for our freedom. Why do you feel like there's pushback on this bill? Or why are people dragging their feet? I don't know. I don't really want them back. You're late. I'll go. I can imagine that some of the members of Congress live in districts where there are either a lot of nursing home or, um, they live in a district with the largest nursing home in the country, and they are beholden to people, whether it's the union or the nursing home owners or the nursing home lobby, It seemed like
Speaker 2 00:19:21 There was a lot of support, particularly from the Democrats. Uh, but when we were getting ready for the <inaudible>, it seemed like they were kind of running and I'll tell you something that's a little frustrating. I mean, the, uh, the dams have put forth some legislation that they're going to push through. Okay. Uh, whether it's the equality act or various other acts that protects various groups of people who are marginalized, however, yes. Nothing in there for people with disability, nothing. They always leave us out and then wonder why we're angry, you know, wonder why we pushed back on them. And I don't think that it's a matter of, uh, of a, of an afterthought. I just, I don't think that they forgot. I just think that we are not a powerful, uh, um, we are not powerful constituent. We don't have that kind of money. And so we don't matter.
Speaker 2 00:20:52 And so I think the Democrats and the house and the Senate who have supported us and sign on to the still, but we've got a fight on our hands. And it's interesting when you have some of the most absolutely conservative Republican signing on to this bill, and you have Democrats who are consistently eating the us out of their plans and their acquaintance, and then wonder why we'd come after them because adapt is nonpartisan. Okay. We will, we will protest, you know, we're protest to anyone, Democrat or Republican. If you are messing with our community, if you're messing with our civil rights, you're messing with our, our freedoms and liberties, we'll hear from a gap. And it doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican, that's just the way we are,
Speaker 3 00:22:11 Right? Because theoretically, there should be a whole money savings in this. So you should, I would think the Republicans would be all about this.
Speaker 2 00:22:24 Well, I mean, and the Republicans are, we haven't had, I mean, it was a bit of a struggle, but once we, once we get folks signed on, I mean the entire Colorado contingent signed on, and that includes some of the most conservative Republicans in Congress signed on and are signing on and worth some of your written old, uh, uh, co-sponsors of the bill.
Speaker 3 00:23:00 Right. Cause everyone wants to save money. Now, do you feel, is it, um, the bill must make, I mean, does it, does it make a difference with, let's say somebody wants to stay in their own home, but there must be a cutoff point, right? If they require just so much care
Speaker 2 00:23:23 Really hard. No, no, not at all. They get all of the services and support that they need to remain at home. That is what this bill about. That is the nature of the bill. Because when you start talking cut off there, once again, you start, you're saying that there are people who are disabled to be in the community, and that is untrue. I'll tell you a story from when I worked at Denver underweight blank, who's the founder of adapt. We have one of our original no-fault, uh, Jim Lundell, um, Jim house was set on fire. It was, it was a hate crime. They set his ramp on fire and it went into the house and she was unconscious. And he was in the hospital on life support.
Speaker 2 00:24:39 And after a while, his parents decided to remove him from life support, but Jim did not die. And so we placed Jim in his own apartment, round the clock attendance, and he stayed there for another year and a half. He finally ended up dying, uh, B uh, uh, complications from the original attack, but he lived in his own apartment for the last year and a half of his life. And he was in a coma, but he was well taken care of people, took him to some of his favorite places, you know, took him to the park, took him to the office, played his favorite music. He had people with him 24 seven. I saw that for myself. I watched that for myself. I participated in that for myself. And if we could have someone in a coma living in his own place, surely anyone can,
Speaker 3 00:26:09 Of course, now you have the struggle of the whole PCA's in general, right?
Speaker 2 00:26:16 Well, yeah, that's another component of the bill is that we're pushing for livable wages for PC days, because most PCA to not get anywhere near a living wage, it is a shame and no disrespect to folks who worked at McDonald's, but it is a shame that you can make more flipping burgers at McDonald's and you can taking care of and being responsible for someone's life.
Speaker 4 00:26:57 That is quite amazing. Isn't it?
Speaker 2 00:27:00 Yes. And it's a thing to be honest. Yes. And so that's another component of this and another, uh, campaign that adaptive working on and the decency and to do thing this component into the disability integration act, because we care about our attendance, um, our attendance, our family, you know, and, um, we love them and we want them to be able to make a living waiting. It's it's a shame that, you know, you have attendance in some areas of the country only making $9 an hour.
Speaker 4 00:27:55 There also seems to be,
Speaker 2 00:27:56 You know, I mean, how can you move up on that? You cannot. Exactly. And so it's, it's a number it's, it's, it's a building integration act involves a whole bunch of thing, you know, that we thought about, you know, because basically this bill was written by the people with disabilities that went through this, and then we sent, you know, sent it on to, you know, the folk to get the legal ease language, you know, in that. But this bill was basically written by people with disability.
Speaker 4 00:28:41 There's a, a fairly massive shortage of accessible housing around the country. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 2 00:28:54 One of the things that we're trying to do is to give vouchers for people getting out of nursing homes so that they can move into their own place. Um, Colorado has a program, um, like that, and we're working on that with, with HUD. We're also trying to expand the definition of homelessness to include people in the tuition, because certainly they're not at home.
Speaker 4 00:29:33 Mm that's true.
Speaker 2 00:29:36 Yeah. And so there are so many different components, disability integration act. I think if you go to just go to integration, act.org, read so much on it. And, and the, uh, supporter think we have well over 800 groups whose the whore just go. The integration at, um, at, at the re-introduction, uh, a R P came out in support of a D uh, the, the D D D I a is building integration act, um, Centene, which one of the larger insurance company are on board. They announced back in July, there was support for the disability integrates. And at pretty much the majority, uh, disability organization, um, on the local state and national level, you know, are, are for them as well as other organizations got this, the leadership conference on civil and human rights.
Speaker 3 00:30:56 I'm sure you are. Um, you might even have firsthand knowledge on, um, that sometimes PCA support is limited to people. Like not only do they not make a, a living wage as we talked about, but people's ability to have enough PCA so they can be independent in their own homes is
Speaker 2 00:31:21 That's a major issue. What happens is that you have, like, for instance, here in New York, you have the County nurse determining how many hours you get. And most often it is far less than what you need. And that happens all over the country. Someone is making a determination of the hours that you need and not really paying much attention to what you're, what you, as the person needing the services are trying to tell them one of the things, um, that the disability integration act with you is it would, it would get rid of, you know, how avail waiting lists get services. It will get rid of the waiting list.
Speaker 2 00:32:32 Um, and in many States you are forced to rely on informal support. Like, Oh, you live with your mom, let your mom do your attendance work. DIA would prohibit that the DIA also says that there can be no discrimination on the basis of when you got your disability and what your disability is. You know, there can be no discrimination on that, all tied up in that school. Right. And I think there's a 10 year, you know, your year where, um, the States and all can prepare and, and get things, you know, get their infrastructure and everything set up for them. So it's not like we're expecting them to comply like right now or comply yesterday, you know, who give ample time to States to get their infrastructure together.
Speaker 3 00:33:57 So one of the problems I find is that there's a timeline set up and that's all great. I love timelines, but who's there in the end to end force if it's not complied with,
Speaker 2 00:34:14 Well, that, that's a good question. And I, I am positive that, um, that DIA has that in mind. I just don't know all pan my health hasn't been the greatest, I don't know, off hand what it is, but I know that that was certainly looked into, and there are provisions for that, so that if you are not in compliance, you know, then, um, that you will, for lack of better word, you will be put in, check in borne that this is not good. And there, I believe are some incentive for people to remain in compliance, but there is, there are, um, systems put in place in case they're not compliant. There's no compliance, like slow to comply. Right.
Speaker 3 00:35:19 You know where I'm going with that because we've seen this happen several times in the disability community where you, they give you a timeline and say, you have to have your website's accessible by this time yet. We're still fighting that battle. So,
Speaker 2 00:35:34 Well, yeah. I mean that, that's why, that's why there was so much outrage against HR, six 20, you know, in that, at the time it was written here was 27 years after the ADA. And we're still having to give you 90 days, you know, to, to rectify this problem when you had 28 years until so, yeah. And that was that something that we were, you know, that we were looking at, you know, the ABA was definitely, I mean, he looked at, you look at Amtrak. Amtrak was supposed to have all of their spaces accessible by the year 2020, that is not going to happen. They, they, they sent word a few years ago that that wasn't going to happen, you know? And so, and Greyhound still have issues with gray house with lists that don't work with, um, attitude for people with disabilities, particularly people who use mobility equipment. My last trip on Greyhound, I sat in the accessible seating because I make sure that on my ticket, it says that I'm disabled and that I need assistance and all, so I sat in here accessible seating and the bus driver threatened to put me off of the bus. If I didn't move from that speeding, speeding that I had a right PPN.
Speaker 4 00:37:22 Who was he thinking he'd put in that seating problems?
Speaker 2 00:37:26 Well, he said that it was for the bus drivers and for their stuff. And I said, no, that is not true. Don't you see the sign here that says accessible seating. So it was, it was, it was pretty bad. I had to inform him that I was not some old consequential rip rap that he was dealing with, that I am a nationally known disability by accident. And that if he thought he was going to put me off of the bus or sitting and seeing that I had the right to be in that he had another thought coming
Speaker 4 00:38:15 Good for you. So,
Speaker 2 00:38:19 And he apologized for speaking to me.
Speaker 4 00:38:22 Excellent, good. It's good. When the,
Speaker 2 00:38:25 But that's just me. I, you know, I have a friend who uses a wheelchair every single time. He just, I mean, I just want to apply for him because he just goes through it every single time. So obviously, you know, society really isn't ready to deal with us. They see us as a burden. They see us as a problem. They see somebody in a wheelchair come in or see somebody like me come me and then, Oh goodness.
Speaker 0 00:39:12 And how do we, and
Speaker 2 00:39:13 When that's the attitude and, and I'm sorry, that's the attitude of society. You know, and often that is our biggest hurdle. You know, it is not our disability. It's just societal attitudes and barriers that are placed before us.
Speaker 0 00:39:42 And so how do we change that? Because it's got to change,
Speaker 2 00:39:51 It's got a chain, but we have to have even more than people with disabilities. Speaking out on this, we have to have constituents, um, uh, people of members of Congress and the Senate who may not necessarily be disabled to demand that they, uh, have a disability platform. I see all of these people who were talking about running for office, running for president in 2020, and I can see none of them have a disability platform. None of them, I see members of Congress who have signed on to the disability integration act and yet have nothing on their website about this piece of legislation that they support. See, the thing is, is that to most of society, society, we're, we're, we're nothing we're poor. We have no power. The only way you see our power is when you see an adapt action. And trust me when he's seeing adapt action, that is the culmination of months or even year of being told. No,
Speaker 3 00:41:41 The other thing is too. I think sometimes, I mean, you talked about everyone was a disability getting involved. And I think that's a huge issue. I think sometimes all hands are not on deck. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 00:41:56 Nothing. Okay. People with disabilities when you can't even vote because you're polling places, either inaccessible or too far from you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How am I going to how's that going to work? How's that work approximately?
Speaker 3 00:42:20 Yeah. We do need to change more on voting,
Speaker 2 00:42:25 You know, when you and I looked at intrasectionality as well. So add to this, that you are a person with a disability that happens to be black and you live in the South. And one of those jurisdictions that, that actively suppress the vote. How's that working for, please? I get sick and tired of people telling me you got them both and got a boat. You got to get out there. And boats went from people with disabilities and seniors and folks of color. That's just a little bit impossible. We try, I haven't missed a boat since 18, and I'm almost 54. Trust me. It's not easy. Right?
Speaker 3 00:43:29 How do you feel they could help that issue? Cause that's a big issue.
Speaker 2 00:43:37 Number one, make sure all your polling places are wheelchair accessible and it's sensible to other what other disability, that's, that's the one thing, you know, if you did just that, may your voting machines accessible, or if you use paper ballots, make those accessible and Colorado, they do mail in ballots. I couldn't do mail in ballots because they're in and sensible to me. And if I hear one more time, we'll get someone to help you. You're supposed to be able to both independently and secretly. Yes, I served as an election judge. I was the first disabled person that served as an election judge for the city and County of Denver. This was back in the nineties, everywhere I lived. I'd be there served as an election or a poll worker, and to see how people with disabilities get treated. When we go in to try to vote, it's an atrocity and you really have to change the mind, you know, uh, uh, of the people you have to change the minds of your board of elections. You have to change the mind of your precinct captain, you know, uh, uh, you know, the people who are in that apparatus people with disabilities, if they can participate more in that and become, uh, um, uh, election judges and poll workers. When I lived in Washington, DC, and was the DC Metro disability vote organizer, I ordered a knife, 67 people with disabilities to serve as coal workers in the district of Columbia. Wow.
Speaker 2 00:45:56 That's how I do it. That, that, that that's a passion of mop to be able to get people with disabilities, to vote and to be able to vote secretly and independently as is our right and our duty.
Speaker 3 00:46:17 I am lucky to have a polling place that is accessible, but I do know there are many that are not,
Speaker 2 00:46:28 Oh yeah. You put polling places at churches, um, or inaccessible places, you know, or even on sample, if you are having political meetings, um, and places. Uh, I remember when president Obama was first elected and he had a, this, and he, and they were holding throughout various city, you know, working on, on these issue. So I went and the place where I went was not only was it inaccessible, it was illegally inaccessible because the place had just been, uh, it had been re refurbished. Okay. And when you refer bears and rent a bait, you were supposed to make those places accessible and they did not.
Speaker 4 00:47:34 So that's one of those laws that were passed that never get finished.
Speaker 2 00:47:38 Exactly why I managed him when they put a piece of plywood, plywood out there and got me in, I went to discover that the meeting was going to be on the second floor and there was no elevator. And I said, you will hold that meeting on this first floor. Well, I have my cell phone and I can make one call and we can have a few adaptable over here. And this meeting will not take place. So they reluctantly help helping meeting on the first floor. And then as I was leaving, I spoke to the owner and the manager of the building and told them this is not the last do have heard from me. I would like to roll up my sleeves and work with you on getting them ramped in here. And thankfully 30 days to the day there was a ramp.
Speaker 4 00:48:47 Wow, that's, that's good work.
Speaker 2 00:48:56 And it's sad that we have to keep on doing this, but that shows you the mentality of people.
Speaker 4 00:49:08 I need it. Clearly you have a lot of go get them. You, you have a lot of perseverance. You are awesome advocate. How do you pass that to somebody? How do you teach someone to have that?
Speaker 2 00:49:32 I,
Speaker 2 00:49:37 I do it all the time. So second nature, um, I especially, uh, pick up on new adapt boat may be a little dye and I mentor them and I teach them and encourage them. Sometimes if I'm able, I go to their state or their city and work with them. Um, and you know, I'd tell them be, be brave. You have to be brave. You cannot give up. You are on the shoulders of many who went before you and you cannot fail them. And you cannot fail yourself where your family member or your community. I tend to be very gentle and I pushed it. I pushed forward and I lift up any kind of activism that people can do. I try to meet people where they are. Um, I know a lot of people who are stuck at home and they can't get out and I tell them, you do activism the best, the way you can, if you are stuck in your bed. And I have cramps like that, who are literally dead born, if the only way that you can do activism is to sign petition and put them out and signal boost other people from work. That's what you do. And I'm happy for that. If you, if you are a person, um, we have a person in, one of our gap. Chapters is not able to deal with the noise of accents, right? But that person does a lot from behind the scene.
Speaker 2 00:52:11 And I totally lift that up. You know, if all you can do is come and bring food, hand warmer. <inaudible> if all you can do is come by and say hello and give a couple of hubs. I'm good with that because you are doing what you can do. I'm not one of the, um, activism, knobs that say you, the only way to be activism is to get out in the street and get arrested. That is a privilege that does happen. Yeah. Oh, it happens a lot. Oh, I see me just the ability, activists, shaming, other, just building activists because they can't get out in the trenches. And my thing is stop that you do activism and the way that you, and that's what I lift up. That's an excellent
Speaker 1 00:53:26 Thing to do. We're going to have to leave, but Anita tell people how they can become part of adapt,
Speaker 2 00:53:34 Um, go to www.adapt.org. And there is, uh, there's a section on there. Um, that gives advice about, um, starting your own chapter. Um, we have an emerging group. Um, and so if you want to know about that, if you're interested in, um, starting in adapt chapter, he did up with me, um, Anita Cameron,
[email protected]. Write to me, and I will hook you up with, with the, with the people that we need to, um, talk to them.
Speaker 1 00:54:36 You okay? If I publish that on the website? Of course. Excellent. Well, it's been an honor speaking with you. Thank you so much. I loved hearing the stories and keep up the good work and I appreciate what you are doing. Thank you.
Speaker 2 00:54:52 Thank you. And thank you for having me on
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